Absolute C# Newcomer - Looking for a starting point

[Bulldog]

Hi all!

I’m an absolute newcomer, to both botting and C#

After scouring the forums, it seems most advice is to start with an already developed Sanderling bot, and customize it bit by bit there.

However, I am more in this for the education experience, outside of just botting in my game of choice.

I’d like to bot in EVE!

First however, I want to emphasis that I am not looking for someone to write the code! I am, however, looking for general tips of how I can go about it. Specifically, the italicized lines below, as these are commands that would need to be frequently run, not just performed in a linear sequence, and I’m not sure how to go about that.

Hoping someone can lend some advice, on some operators/functions/ect I should consider!

The general algorithm I’m looking to start with would be pretty simple:

// Undock, activate all modules that can sustain in warp
(bot)

• Scan system for combat sites
  - Scan Local for Non-friendlies
  • If non-friendly present, warp to safe BM, (wait X amount of time, then scan again) else continue
• Select closest Foresaken Rally Point
• Warp to Foresaken Rally Point @ 0km
  • Add signature to ignore list, in case blue is already on site, in prep for next site warp
  • If blue is present on overview, choose new site. Else, continue
• Activate afterburner, armor rep
• Launch Drones (5)
• Select largest rat ship in overview, orbit @15km
  - If wreck is present on overview and currently orbiting ship, orbit wreck instead.
  - If no hostile rats in overview, then recall drones. Deactivate afterburner
• restart loop

If you made it this far, cheers! Thanks for reading.

[kaboonus]

Hello @Bulldog welcome here .

@Bulldog

I’m an absolute newcomer, to both botting and C#

There is no problem with that, everybody start from 0, even if they forgot that

@Bulldog

After scouring the forums, it seems most advice is to start with an already developed Sanderling bot, and customize it bit by bit there.

indeed, the easier way is to take a bot , try to make him work for you and in time you continue to modify him.

@Bulldog

However, I am more in this for the education experience, outside of just botting in my game of choice.

ok ok but let’s go at work:
here is a newbie guide: How to Automate Anything in EVE Online
if you have troubles to use Sanderling you can take a look here:
Explanation for dumb peeps as meself - #8 by kaboonus
the main guide is here: GitHub - Arcitectus/Sanderling: APIs and libraries to read information directly from the EVE Online game client.

@Bulldog

as these are commands that would need to be frequently run,not just performed in a linear sequence,

here I have something to say : any program run linear. but from time to time you say him: ok , now I wanna you check this again. he will check and get back at line. Anyway, there are stuffs you cannot solve them so easy.

@Bulldog

I am , however, looking for general tips of how I can go about it .

having the guide from above, and taking into account you wanna do ratting, i suggest you use
this one

MARVEL script, ratting at a new level

Start ratting with an vni, take the loot with mtu, change in salvage ship (I use Gnosis, is more agile than noctis), take the salvage; if your mtu is killed, then you continue to rat and take the salvage with drones; if your salvage drones are killed, then you continue to ratting until you lose all drones from item hangar/ship/downtime;) -delete 'new System.Media.SoundPlayer lines; I keep them because I use sounds( and so we have same filesize) +automatic change between salvage ship (to use …

and you have a guide comprehensible ( i hope) made for my scripts:

Kaboonus scripts guide ( wiki page so do not respond in this one)

First of all, you have to load from web the script from git, using the Saderling interface: [load] after the script is loaded, you open dev environement: [dev%20tools] you make all changes ( it follows in this wiki) select the text: [unit1] make changes [unit2] check if is green [green] you save [save] and at the end of filename you add .cs [cs] next time you load the script from file: [load] Now all changes are like that: if a value is mentionned in thousands, keep the pro…

so what you change on script?
Foresaken Rally Point from forsaken hub (line 44)
from “Within 30 km” to “Within 0 m” at line 34
Select largest rat ship in overview, orbit @15km largest or not, you orbit arround rats. but, if you want to have rats ordered by class, then you have to contact @pikacuq, he will offer you his solution and work
back on script

@Bulldog

Add signature to ignore list, in case blue is already on site, in prep for next site warp

is already do that and the rest of your conditions.
more than that, it can use salvage drones or mtu.
and all the rest of changes you have my wiki guide

[Viir (Michael Rätzel)]

Welcome to the Bot Academy Bulldog!

@Bulldog

After scouring the forums, it seems most advice is to start with an already developed Sanderling bot, and customize it bit by bit there.

Confirm, that is a good way to go about it.
There is also another way to make development easier: You can not only reuse complete bots but also parts from other existing bots to improve your own.
In case you have not seen it yet, there is this new tool to quickly teast code snippets, specifically for EVE Online: A Simpler Way to Make EVE Online Bots

@Bulldog

First however, I want to emphasis that I am not looking for someone to write the code ! I am , however, looking for general tips of how I can go about it .

A general tip is: Before writing code, development starts with getting the information about what the bot should do.

@Bulldog

Hoping someone can lend some advice, on some operators/functions/ect I should consider!

The general algorithm I’m looking to start with would be pretty simple:

Sure, functions for the bot parts you listed is below:

@Bulldog

warp to safe BM

This can be done using the menu opened using the surroundings button, like here:

kaboonus/MAFP/blob/9db5853a1594fbceaed8a8a40d9f9f12073f4011/MAFP.cs#L806

@Bulldog

Select closest Foresaken Rally Point

Selecting an object can be done by clicking on its row in the Overview window:

var overviewRow = Sanderling?.MemoryMeasurementParsed?.Value?.WindowOverview?.FirstOrDefault()?.ListView?.Entry?.FirstOrDefault();
Sanderling.MouseClickLeft(overviewRow);

@Bulldog

Activate afterburner, armor rep

You can do this by clicking on these modules in the ship UI:

How to Activate a Ship Module in EVE Online

To affect things in space, you often want to activate a module of your ship. This guide shows how to make your bot do this. If you want to select a target first, see the guide on how to select a target. To activate a module in eve online, we toggle the module when it is inactive. With this approach, the task of activating the module is divided into the following two subtasks: Check if the module is active If it is not yet active, toggle the module How to Check If a Module Is Active All y…

@Bulldog

Scan system for combat sites
- Scan Local for Non-friendlies

• If non-friendly present,

These parts need someone with more EVE Online specific experience. Let me know in case we should expand on these.

[kaboonus]

@Viir

Select closest Foresaken Rally Point

Selecting an object can be done by clicking on its row in the Overview window:

var overviewRow = Sanderling?.MemoryMeasurementParsed?.Value?.WindowOverview?.FirstOrDefault()?.ListView?.Entry?.FirstOrDefault();
Sanderling.MouseClickLeft(overviewRow);

Forsaken Rally point is an anomaly, is not visible on overview. You use Windowprobe, ( use the entire function takeanomaly so you can delete all other anomalies and to warp at any distance offered by menu)

kaboonus/MAFP/blob/9db5853a1594fbceaed8a8a40d9f9f12073f4011/MAFP.cs#L322

@Viir

warp to safe BM

marvel script ( is for ratting) have an interesting void to warp using shortcuts and overview and like an backup if the station is not on overview he warpslow:

void WarpInstant ()
{
    K=1;
    if (0 < DronesInSpaceCount)
        DroneEnsureInBay();
    else if (listOverviewStationName?.Length > 0 )
    {
            Console.Beep(1500, 200);
        Sanderling.KeyDown(Warpkey);
            Sanderling.MouseClickLeft(listOverviewStationName?.FirstOrDefault());
        Sanderling.KeyUp(Warpkey);
        Host.Log("               Try warp  Instant    " +listOverviewStationName?.FirstOrDefault()?.Name+ "");
        Host.Delay(444);
    }
    else if (listOverviewStationName?.Length == 0 )
        WarpingSlow(RetreatBookmark, "dock");
}

scan local is about local chat, if there are chars flagged different:

bool IsNeutralOrEnemy(IChatParticipantEntry participantEntry) =>
   !(participantEntry?.FlagIcon?.Any(flagIcon =>
     new[] { "good standing", "excellent standing", "Pilot is in your (fleet|corporation|alliance)", "Pilot is an ally in one or more of your wars", }
     .Any(goodStandingText =>
flagIcon?.HintText?.RegexMatchSuccessIgnoreCase(goodStandingText) ?? false)) ?? false);

all features are all included in marvel script.

[Dizneu (Me)]

Does marvel script include carrier ratting?